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History of NSA Diplomacy
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:16:48 PM »
I've all always wanted to know from the older NSAers what their view of NSA's IC history was. In your opinion what were important turning points, the most important treaties or alliances, the most destructive wars, the most benevolent and most malevolent nations, the most powerful nations, the greatest leaders. I've read alot of the threads from NSA's early days and I have quite a liking for the old Mulgarian and Azaziel Empires.....mostly because their my nation's predecessors.  :-)
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2012, 05:25:53 PM »
Some of the old nations were downright bizarre and others were mostly joke-nations.
Ouea, Bubonic Plauge and others spring to mind.

The NSA-universe seems to be highly mutable even in terms of time and history.

Most new nations are created as if they had always been there rather than taking the previous nations in an area into account.

This of course is highly unrealistic but I can fully understand why a player would want to create his nation with a unique history of his own creation.

The one more or less constant is, to my mind, my own nation, Warlordia although a very strong case could be made for United Faiths, in many ways the polar ideological opposite of Warlordia.

Indeed, should Brian ever return (and I hope he does!) I hope he would resume playing United Faiths again.
The disestablishment of UF was a great loss to the diplomatic community.

Also, since many players are students or have jobs that consume much of their IRL time it means many nations go "dormant" from time to time by sheer necessity.

The most destructive wars in the current continuity were the savage and brutal ones between Russia and Scandinavia.

No love lost there...

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2012, 06:10:35 PM »
Three major events stand out to me:

When I first started playing, way back in the day, Mulgaria annexed Syria to me. Meanwhile Mulgaria and Akhtendum (one of the main super states at the time) had major military tensions. Behind the scenes Mulgaria and I had a complex plan to use a nuke to EMP Akhtendum and then follow up with an invasion.

The Global Defense Initiative was an organization composed of an alliance that covered all of current HOE and eastern Europe (USSR sized). There was a couple IRL months long stand off between the GDI and another alliance from to stand against them (composed of UFS, Rhodesia, Glashima, and a few others). The closest we came to war was when one of the GDI detonated a nuke in northern UFS. I'm surprised a world war didn't start from that event.

The original UFS fell apart after a war with Warlordia and Glashima. There was an over throw of the Finjin government. Glashima and Warlordia invaded from the south while a Glashima fleet engaged the Finjin navy near it's small colony in current kingdom of Nigeria. Fun times and my way of "rebooting" UFS.
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2012, 06:14:56 PM »
Ah yes, the war between Warlordia and UFS in Nigeria was a brutal slugging match for sure.

It was useful for me IC as well. It gave Warlordia an excuse for modernizing it's command structure.
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2012, 07:35:08 PM »
The conflicts with Anaweim brought about some of the best conversations I have had with many in a long time. In terms of "ill will" he was the leader, bar none.

KaNgwane had the best way of RP'ing a nation on the edge if you ask me. James, if memory serves, was a nation with an agenda but could be reasoned with.

UFS's bout with me was the most fun I had in a war RP actually. I was involved in a lot of conflict but I didn't relish it at all, it was more a statement of "don't joke with Glashima".

Akhtendum was great at story telling, he was the previous owner of Egypt, I like to think I took a dark country and made it, in certain aspects, darker.

In terms of diplomacy, I can't say enough good things about UF (Brian), there was DJS and Optimus Prime Minister, but I think Neil Willcott earned his spot among these names too, maybe that's my ego talking a little though, I mean it was my character after all ;).

In terms of honorable mentions, I miss old OLD players like Wolverton in Space, Bubonic Plague, Two Towers. These nations were prominent when I was 14 and just starting out here. That was wayyy back in 2004-2005. It's been a long time and I have many stories about all of you...most good  :evil: More recent old players like Andy and Jessika I have a longing to talk to again.

Of course there was the professional irritant, Sam Sixsmith, who had United Earth Union, who I unceremoniously destroyed OOC and IC.

Then finally, there is my good friend Dan Karlsson, who I still talk to. I will say this, I have mostly positive experiences on the forum, and I wouldn't trade them to do anything differently, which is one of the main reasons I am having such a hard time debating my involvement in a potential AU reboot, but politics, military, IC, OOC, science, religion, history, life, music, there isn't anything I haven't talked to Dan about. He is, far and away, my best friend on the forum and a solid guy in general. He is a clear asset to this place and even if all of the good times hadn't happened here and I had only met Dan, I think I would have still been able to call that a positive outcome.

Wow, that was a little soft from me...alright time to be masculine BOOBS, ASSES, CHICKS!!! GUNS!!!!







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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 08:13:27 PM »
Thanks for the kind words!

I'll add some machismo of the old school.

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2012, 09:51:28 PM »
The KaNgwane-Rhodesia cold war was enjoyable.

It's also why I feel OK about RP'ing Rhodesia as being in a recession after my absence - all the money was spent on defense!

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2012, 09:17:43 AM »
The multiple wars between KaNgwane and Rhodesia+Friends definitely contributed to the economic troubles in Africa.

It could also be seen as instrumental in the collapse of the KaNgwane-regime and it's subsequent replacement with Stellaland, for the sake of continuity.

The wars were also quite fun to Moderate.

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 09:21:05 AM »
Yeah, I think it might be time for a fire sale on lightly used military hardware.  :lol:

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 09:26:42 AM »
This could possibly lead to internal tensions as "Defence conscious" interests clash with the the "Budget conscious" groups in parliament.
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 09:23:17 PM »
This could possibly lead to internal tensions as "Defence conscious" interests clash with the the "Budget conscious" groups in parliament.
:)

And another coup by the hard-liners?

And a civil war?

And a Communist takeover?

And an African version of Tito's Yugoslavia?

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 05:55:35 AM »
The possibilities are endless!
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 10:14:44 AM »
This could possibly lead to internal tensions as "Defence conscious" interests clash with the the "Budget conscious" groups in parliament.
:)

And another coup by the hard-liners?

And a civil war?

And a Communist takeover?

And an African version of Tito's Yugoslavia?

 :evil:

Barring the first one, the rest could result in Mfasaland poking it's nose in Rhodesian internal affairs  :evil:

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 11:40:55 AM »
Some of the old nations were downright bizarre and others were mostly joke-nations.
Ouea, Bubonic Plauge and others spring to mind.

The NSA-universe seems to be highly mutable even in terms of time and history.

Most new nations are created as if they had always been there rather than taking the previous nations in an area into account.

This of course is highly unrealistic but I can fully understand why a player would want to create his nation with a unique history of his own creation.

The one more or less constant is, to my mind, my own nation, Warlordia although a very strong case could be made for United Faiths, in many ways the polar ideological opposite of Warlordia.

Indeed, should Brian ever return (and I hope he does!) I hope he would resume playing United Faiths again.
The disestablishment of UF was a great loss to the diplomatic community.

Also, since many players are students or have jobs that consume much of their IRL time it means many nations go "dormant" from time to time by sheer necessity.

The most destructive wars in the current continuity were the savage and brutal ones between Russia and Scandinavia.

No love lost there...

My realist personality won't allow me to RP anything too out there, and also since the beginning of the LU I've very much tried to maintain some continuity with mny nation's predecessors.

I enjoy reading the old diplomacy threads, and I think we should head back in the direction of being more diplomatic IC. I personally take some of the blame for turning Europe into a warmongerfest, with the Russo-Latin Wars...over the next few months I will attempt to keep the LU's traditional opportunism while being more diplomatic.

Also I have some RPs planned that will give everyone both OOC and IC, a deeper understanding of the LU's internal political climate.
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 03:58:46 PM »
Europe was a warfest long before your creation, no need to apologize for that ;).


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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2012, 12:09:32 PM »

Most new nations are created as if they had always been there rather than taking the previous nations in an area into account.

This of course is highly unrealistic but I can fully understand why a player would want to create his nation with a unique history of his own creation.

Both of my nations have been RPed as coming from the ashes of the nations before them. I think the history provided by the person before is actually pretty cool and makes for a back story that everyone else around me can roll with rather then pretend as though nothing has ever happened before.

When I took over Israel for example there was some great RP as other nations either supported or attempted to prevent Israel from carving its own piece from the collapsing Islamic Republics of Babylon. I guess it really depends on the background....

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2012, 07:08:20 PM »
With this nation, I've tried to maintain a sense of continuity with both the real world and my predecessor, Aksum. The way I imagine it, Aksum was formed out of Yemen, Eritrea and Ethiopia, Sabaland emerged from the ruins of Aksum and now the Eritrean Empire has emerged from the ruins of Sabaland.

My other nation, South Arabia, has grown out of the puppet regime established by Sabaland in post-Canaanite Yemen. Canaan itself was a continuation of Israel, which emerged from Babylon...and so on and so forth.  :-D

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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2012, 11:36:21 AM »
How do you guys think the new world alliances (Victoria League, Nexus, The HOE-Deutche-UNKA Alliance) compare with the old world alliances ( Hands of Iron, The Mediterrean Alliance, the Socialist Alliance, the Tripoli Accords)

I also see a big difference is charachterization of the modern nations vs the older ones mainly because alot of the older nations could clearly be perceived as malevolent or benevolent. Our current nations, for the most part, are a big blob of gray...with noone being clearly nor entirely evil or good.

BTW, for those who aren't up-to-date on the modern alliances:

The Victoria League: Formed in early 2008, its current members are The Confederate Republics, Mfasaland, and Rhodesia.

The Nexus: The original Nexus formed in 2009 and new Nexus formed in 2010, the first Nexus consisted of The Latin Union, KaNgwane, and the Austrian Empire. After the fall of KaNgwane, the old Nexus went through a mass merger with most of the anti-Russian alliances in Europe as a result of the Salzsburg Conference, the most significant of which was its merger with the Central European Military Organization (CEMO) which was the brainchild of Austria and Praugsia, thus the new Nexus was born, its members are The Latin Union, The Nordic Federation, The Austrian Empire, and The Hobbebian Empire

The HOE-Deutche-UNKA: This alliance doesn't exist de jure, but is actually two alliances that are closely associated and are de facto basically one bloc: The New North Pact ( HOE and UNKA) and the Grand Alliance (HOE and Deutcheland) both formed in 2009

The Nexus and the HOE-Deutche-UNKA Alliance are opposing blocs.
There is also a Isreali-LU Cooperation Pact that was formed in 2010 that has a mutual defense clause.
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2012, 10:19:23 PM »
Dont forget the Close relationship Israel and the Hobbeebian Imperium share
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Re: History of NSA Diplomacy
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2012, 03:11:10 PM »
The alliances are often hampered by long-term absence of some players.